Re: [GrizHFMinimill] Newbie w/questions



Hi David,

Very sensible advice from Chuck

I believe that the advice he gives is what most people have been thinking but have been too cautious to actually say:  It seems to me that you are doing everything the wrong way round and you are very likely to end up disappointed.

As I see it the current sequence is:

I can buy this.
Can people advise me if it what I want?
I might do this with it .......

You need to do things the other way round:

I want to do this ,,,,,,,
To do that I will need a machine capable of this, that and with a work envelope of.....
Suitable machines are ......
I will go and see if I can find one of those machines within my budget


If you are unsure what machines you should be considering I would recommend joining a local engineering club.  In the UK the key search term is "society of model and experimental engineers".  We have them scattered round the country and it is always possible to find one reasonably near.  Such clubs are full of enthusiastic people with well equipped home workshops - you will get lots of opportunities to actually see a huge range of machines in action and lots of practical advice.

A word of warning however.  Such clubs have a spectrum of members and there is a sliding scale of warning signs you must be tuned in to:

1) "I have a workshop at home" - approach this person with caution (you have no idea what you are getting in to....)

2) "I'm not doing anything this weekend - I'll come round with my toolbox" - be slightly alarmed, you may find that the toolbox consists entirely of different sized hammers....

3) "Hey! Hold my beer while I light this..." - get as far away from this person as possible as quickly as you can...

All the best,
Ian



On Tuesday, 12 March 2019, 05:39:24 GMT, trainliker ckinzer@att.net [GrizHFMinimill] <GrizHFMinimill@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I think much more info about what you want to do would be needed for anyone to try and recommend anything.

 

I suggest you get a very clear idea on the largest size of the work pieces you want to machine.  Then also realize that a protruding end mill or other device takes up some of the vertical room.  And if something is being held in the vise, the vise uses up vertical distance.  This will determine what the smallest mill might be that would at least be suitable for the work piece size, even if just barely.  Also focus on table surface size.  Larger is usually better.

 

Just like with lathes, you can make teeny tiny parts on a large machine, but can't make large parts on a small machine.  One thing you probably won't be too concerned with is ability to do heavy fast machining such as you might in a production shop.  So something less than huge and powerful will probably work for you.

 

I suspect a mini-mill (such as Grizzly G8689 and similar ones from many sources) is going to be too small.  The M1036 micro mill is smaller yet and is really more suited to somebody like a model railroad hobbyist (as is the small Sherline or Taig mills).  You probably need to step up to quite a bit more size.

 

I couldn't guess which one is barely big enough without having to spend more.  Grizzly's lowest priced knee mill is the G0801.  With a knee mill, the entire X-Y table assembly can be moved vertically and you can get a lot more vertical distance.  They tend to be where the machines are larger in size, also.  They have models similar to Bridgeport milling machines which are sort of a standard benchmark in the industry, but at Grizzly they cost around $10K and up (which actually isn't bad for this size machine which can weigh over 3,000 lbs..)

 

When perusing Grizzly, you will see a couple of "Combo Lathe/Mill" machines.  These can, at first, seem like a good deal because it covers both the lathe and mill bases..  However, the compromises tend to be a machine with as not a very good lathe and an even less good mill.  But for some doing just occasional light duty work, it probably works OK enough.  I just really don't recommend those things even though they usually are nifty looking anyway.

 

Another thing to remember is that tooling is going to cost you the same no matter which mill you are putting it on.  And, over time, tooling can end up costing as much as a machine itself.  It's frustrating spend money on tooling to put on a machine you aren't happy with.

 

So once you have an idea of size, go to the Grizzly milling machine page, sort by price lowest to highest, and see what machine might be the minimum, and how much, if any, you might want to go beyond that.  Also study all the features because the details aren't the same in all machines.

 

Chuck K.     

 

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From: 'David Schwandt' finsruskw@iowatelecom.net [GrizHFMinimill]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:35 PM
To: GrizHFMinimill@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [GrizHFMinimill] Newbie w/questions

 

 

Yes, I kind of wondered about that.

Any thoughts on the Grizzly models that are currently available now.

From past experiences at these auctions, I'm thinking this will go rather high.

I think I will stay away and opt for a newer or new one

Thanks for the comeback!

 

 



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Posted by: Ian Newman <ian_new@yahoo.com>



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